Tuesday, April 04, 2006

Oi! Do You Want A Fight?

(BBC Online)
With the local election campaigns starting to get underway, David Cameron picks a fight with UKIP, calling them loonies and closet racists!
Aside from the fact that it is potentially libellous (and Cameron has been given to making ill-judged outbursts lacking substance, lately), UKIP is a relatively new party made up of those from the hard right and some dissaffected Conservatives.*
Put simply, I'm not fussed with who Cameron has a scrap with, but my free advice is that he should be a bit sure of his ground before starting a fight.

*I would like to point out for legal reasons that, whilst there are some loony Tory grassroots who live in a bygone age and are as nasty as sin and seem to have some horrible effect on the Party, some grassroots Tories are nice people, if somewhat politically misguided and naive! ;)

7 comments:

El Tom said...

It's easier to pick a fight with them than one's own grassroots: lets face it, he needs to!

torytorytory said...

Cameron went a bit too far in my opinion, especially using the word 'racist'.
I'll never vote for UKIP, but their very existence puts pressure on the Tory party to remain EUskeptic (I can't wait until we leave the federalist EPP grouping!), so I'm not too fuzzed about them. These anti-establishment parties do tend to attract some extremist loonies and headbangersbut not just those from the right. Many ex-Labour voters now support BNP and UKIP (ex-Labour MP and socialist Kilroy Silk - good example).

"loony Tory grassroots who live in a bygone age and are as nasty as sin and seem to have some horrible effect on the Party"
While I disagree with the more blimpish elements, I like them (Always liked the countryside colonel types - perhaps I've been reading too much Agatha Christie)

"some grassroots Tories are nice people, if somewhat politically misguided and naive!"
Well, maybe we don't have as many populist "all things for all people" vote-winning policies as you guys have, but neo-Liberalism certainly has a better track record that socialism or social-democratism. yeah, I'm so wrong misguided.

Paul Burgin said...

"Many ex-Labour voters now support BNP and UKIP (ex-Labour MP and socialist Kilroy Silk - good example)".
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Not that many I think, but aside from that it is sad but true. I am simply pointing out that Cameron has members in his party who are sympathetic towards UKIP
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"While I disagree with the more blimpish elements, I like them (Always liked the countryside colonel types - perhaps I've been reading too much Agatha Christie)"
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BTW Have you been watching Poirot lately!
Back to your point, I like the Colonel Blimps as well, but there is a difference between the harmless ones and the sort who just don't like people who are different to them and their worldview!
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"Well, maybe we don't have as many populist "all things for all people" vote-winning policies as you guys have"
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That's very kind, and I am sure you are, rightfully, somewhat jealous ;), but some voters are clearly not too happy with us and it is they whom Labour must win back!
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"but neo-Liberalism certainly has a better track record that socialism or social-democratism. yeah, I'm so wrong misguided."
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Like 3 million unemployed for example, or wanting to dismantle the Welfare State and anything else that helps the poor and dispossesed in our society!

Kerron said...

Can I recommend to you the 1940s film "The Life & Death of Colonel Blimp" by Powell & Pressburger?

Great film. Very enjoyable.

torytorytory said...

"Like 3 million unemployed for example, or wanting to dismantle the Welfare State and anything else that helps the poor and dispossesed in our society!"

I suppose one can argue about this 'till one is blue in the face. The current economic stability that the UK is experiencing is based on all the hard slog and economic reforms of the 80s and 90s and is a continuation of economic growth under the Tories since leaving the ERM. Take innovative Thatcher out of our history and I see a very bleak picture of Britain. Besides, just take a good look over the channel at the more 'social' and social-democratic Europe. Their populations and politicians are refusing to liberalise, because they are too afraid of the short-term sacrifices in order to prosper in the long term. for instance, all those misguided French youngsters are protesting at the very laws that aim to improve employment among them. Inflexible labour laws provide very little incentive and too much risk in employing youngsters who inexperienced in the workplace.

"BTW Have you been watching Poirot lately!"
They've certainly spiced up the last 8 Poirot installments. Not too sure I like the new Miss Marple series - a bit too satirical and OTT in my opinion.

Paul Burgin said...

The trouble with Thatcherism though, is that it went OTT in some of it's most enthusiastic adherents wanting to privatise anything that moved and as for quick short term fixes, if they had slowed down economic growth in the mid 1980s, we would have hit the recession, true, but not to the degree that we did. Besides in joining and then withdrawing the ERM the way they did, and wiping away millions of sterling in one afternoon, the Tories showed that they weren't so brilliant at handling the economy

Paul Burgin said...

Oh and I have seen some of, not all of Colonel Blimp. Good film :-), and I have briefly referred to it here already

http://paulburgin.blogspot.com/2006/01/in-thespian-praise-of-valentine-dyall.html

As for Miss Marple, I totally agree Tory. I like the casting, but I much prefer the Joan Hickson years. I get the uncomfortable feeling that they are trying to bring Agatha Christie's characters into the twenty-first century and that is a mistake!