Sunday, April 22, 2007

When Will Those Tories Learn!

I suppose I am perhaps Tory-bashing a bit much this week, but hey there are elections coming up and I am a member of the Labour Party! But Mike Ion has written this piece which is worth reading and shows how flippantly some people treat the unacceptable views of others.
My own take. Well a) When will they learn and b) If Cameron was serious about his Party's future as an electoral success he would take on some of the more unpleasant aspects of the Conservative Party just as Neil Kinnock did in the 1980s with Millitant. Will that happen? What do you think!

11 comments:

Praguetory said...

Looking at where the BNP are making breakthroughs it is Labour that need to learn how to fight them.

Paul Burgin said...

But we don't talk about appeasing the views of their supporters

Praguetory said...

You want to bet on that.

Paul Burgin said...

I rarely take part in bets

Praguetory said...

Wise choice - it would have been like taking candy from a child.

For example in Birmingham we have Labour MPs Sion Simon, Roger Godsiff and Tom Watson speaking of the white working class as our people, calling for a halt to economic immigrants and demonising asylum-seekers. They more than echo the language of the BNP. Would you like some more examples?

Paul Burgin said...

Well a) I don't know about that and b)We are not exactly talking about prominent popular Labour figures here are we

Praguetory said...

You got me. Mr Paul Newman is the second most popular Tory blogger. These three Labour MPs pale by comparison.

Newmania said...

Oh come on P I think I can outrank more than three Labour MPs
This was my reply to the terminally po faced Ions


The problem is that the BNP exploits these issues by conflating them with race - that it just wrong. Do you really want to do business with such people?


NO . That is what YOU DO to close down the subject . You have done it for years notably on immigration. How can you be so deluded about your own Party and its use of this issue you are complicit in it yourself and this discussion has already been passed on warped and regurgitated as " Those Tory racists" BNP voters for the most part recently voted Labour . Are you saying they are so tainted to you now that you will not have them back ? I think so and it would be typical of your parties loathing of the very class it pretends to represent . In fact it has almost nothing in common with working people and little understanding of much about life outside the media and the Public sector professions.
I see you have expressed some agreement with what I have said so allow me to express some limited agreement with you. The Labour Parties dream is a bogeyman Nazi Party manned by brilliantine weirdoes that can be removed through middleclass domination of the media . Much of the literature of the Party supports that prospect but many statements latterly do not .If they remain as they can be read they should be resisted . Thats the agreement bit

I find though talking to BNP supporters that many of them are not racists many have intermarried with black neighbours as I have myself . The BNP for them is an outlet for nationalist frustrations with the bourgeois Labour Party which has betrayed them , the only outlet . It could be that the Party as it grows to will come to reflect that support . If it does then I see no reason why Conservatives should not agree on a range of issues..

Paul Burgin said...

Newmania

I have met a no of people who would support the BNP, but usually that is out of ignorance rather than idelogical belief. One way to hopefully turn them away from that is to point out to them just what sort of political party they are supporting. Now this is something that Tories, Labour, and the Lib Dems can unite on and work together, because of what we are up against, esp as I think we can all agree that the BNP isn't exactly your average political party. By working together, hopefully some of those on the fringes of support will wonder why such an unprecedented step has happened and will be shamed into returning to the fold. A chance to discuss what is already being done over immigration, that we don't just accept anyone and everyone and that Britain's economy is helped by having migrant workers would be of use!

Newmania said...

The difference is that I do not want 'them' to return to the Fold in the sense that are returned to the New Labour Party ... Whats the point of that.?It isn`t just immigration anyway it is the destruction of the working class throught immoral housing and benefits Policies and the recognition of every exclusion except class that are the problems especially the former. The wicked taxation on aspiration at low levels and the contempt shown for national pride and loyalty ones own Immigration has been lied about for so long now I doubt that anyone will listen who lives with it.

Labour MPs and their media accolytes do not send their children to schools struggling with eight languages and do not find themsleves out mutliplied by point aquiring immigrants from the housing list. Their jobs are not removed by EU migration and their cultitre not under attack from a drip feed of Metropoltitan anti family state propoganda.

You want to teach them..perhaps they can teach you .I hope to see the evolution of a new workingclass grouping that rejects New Labour and in fact I am staggered that they have been content to put up with what has been done in their name (ostensibly) so far. Perhaps the BNP can become that. It is more likely if the Party is included in discussion where i think , the racist loon bits will not survive serious contending for power. There are signs this is already happening.

There is no fold to go back to so I have to hope so

Paul Burgin said...

If a political party has been born out of a policy of racial prejudice and hatred, there is little chance of it being renewed sufficently to make it "respectable"